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2017-11-02 08:42:40 - VOR, Vestas incident & report.
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Viva all,

Good morning.

I strongly recommend all to read this:

"VOLVO OCEAN RACE INDEPENDENT REPORT INTO THE STRANDING OF VESTAS WIND".

Link:
www.volvooceanrace.com/...team-vestas-wind-inquiry-report-released-on-9-march-2015.pdf

João/psail
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2017-11-03 10:35:23 - Re: VOR, Vestas incident & report.
Viva Huib,

Thank you for the post "weight loss" cure (this long links really tend to escape the screen's right side).

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2017-11-04 21:46:28 - Re: VOR, Vestas incident & report.
I am not ever likely to need the "Guide" to plan an ocean voyage/race....but I would like to make a related comment about SOL.
The Sol program was developed originally as part of a course in yacht design, to allow the students' work to be evaluated. However it has become a "computer game" for many people in which they try to use the mechanics of the game to 'win' bragging rights. For others, it is a way of practicing tactics for sailboat racing.
For many, however, it forms an educational program in reading the weather for the beginning sailor.
For all of these groups, there is a marked deficiency in the "chart" upon which we sail.
Is it not possible to use a more realistic chart that includes most of the hazards to navigation that must be avoided by any "real" sailor, such as the reefs and shallows which are such a major part of any "real" voyage at sea? The Vestas report shows clearly the importance of the "charts" on which we "sail".
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2017-11-05 10:52:58 - Re: VOR, Vestas incident & report.
Yes Rod, using more realistic nautical charts would hugely improve the educational value of sol wrt navigation. but we have to be careful that sol remains accessible for the masses, not only the ones that are (a) experienced in navigation or (b) willing to invest time in their navigational skills.

I'm sure there's a middle way that solves this problem: nautical charts, but no requirement to understand every element of it to successfully sail a race (by using our own very simple and clear "you can sail in this area, not in this area"-two-colour-map as overlay for example)

While sailing on sailonline, I would really like to have some more detail of the region where I'm sailing. There's lots of reefs, shallows, bridges, etc. etc. that we're missing out on. Problem is, when I'm not online, I really like not having to worry about all these things. I'm not able to spend as much time online during the week as I would be able to spend on deck during and actual IRL sail.

Then of course, there's the technical side: we need a world map where there is a clear divide between "navigable waters" and "running aground" so that the computer can understand. As far as I know, the map we are currently using (GSHHG) is one of the best that is available at reasonable cost (in this case: free). In the best case, the process of changing to another map is a lot of work and needs a lot of testing. We are slowly moving towards a situation where we hope to be a bit more flexible, but its hard work. At some point in the future it may be possible to show some more detail in the map, but there is a lot to do before we get to that situation.

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2017-11-16 15:36:03 - Re: VOR, Vestas incident & report.
Dear Rod,

Viva.

Yes, very pertinent comments about this topic.

I quote you: “For others, it is a way of practicing tactics for sailboat racing.
For many, however, it forms an educational program in reading the weather for the beginning sailor.
For all of these groups, there is a marked deficiency in the "chart" upon which we sail.”, (sic).

I can’t agree more with you, long before the released “Vestas” report but, previously to the charts and weather learning & reading there are very basic things we must all learn, understand and comply.

I’m sure you will.
discarding ziggy points or not Forum post

A Big Hug

João/psail


--- Last Edited by RainbowChaser at 2017-11-21 20:22:19 ---
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