Facebook

Login

Support Sailonline

If you haven't already - join the SAILONLINE YACHT CLUB!

Please also consider making a donation - all amounts are greatly appreciated!

Board » General Discussion » Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019

Posted by
SCARABOCCHIO


Users avatar

Posts
97
Registered at
2012-02-05 16:24:16
2019-04-23 15:48:28 - Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
Dear SOLers,
I just learned that the Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019 race was also canceled and, as a "virtual winner", I want to express my disagreement ...
In spite of myself, I "accept" the decision, but I believe that the reasons written in the official SRC document are absolutely debatable and have not considered the following reasons:
1) During the Mami-Lisbon race (canceled due to problems with the classification of some boats) I was first in the leading group but the reasons given for the cancellation were clear and unexceptionable. The Technical Team has objectively verified that a software problem has slowed down some boats and this is clearly an irrevocable decision;
2) During the Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019 race, at the time of the server crash, I was first with more than a mile ahead (second Beliberda) and after the server reactivation I was always first with a similar advantage over the second (Bimmer?);
3) I've always been at the top of the Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019 race since the first miles;
4) All the boats in the race have suffered the same problem in an absolutely equal way and, consequently, all the participants have suffered a similar damage without having created conditions of advantage for the leader;
5) At the end of the race I won with an advantage of about 2.5 miles over the second (similar before the crash);
6) By admission of the same SRC, no one participant in the race has presented an official protest;

I'm convinced that if the consequences of the technical problem fall on SOL users, there is only the risk of discouraging users from participating in SOL races.

I’m a SOL partner and I don't want to see SOL decline: I think the right time has come to try to re-emerge.

I kindly ask You to write Your opinion.

In a nutshell, I only accept "motivated" decisions and don’t accept decisions based on "hypotheses" ...

Soon You will have news about my stay in SOL.

Fair Winds to all.
Carlo Alberto

--- Last Edited by SCARABOCCHIO at 2019-04-24 05:59:14 ---
Posted by
SCARABOCCHIO


Users avatar

Posts
97
Registered at
2012-02-05 16:24:16
2019-04-23 18:50:30 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
(In real races, the "server crash" problem does not exist. In SOL we need to understand what to decide in case of "server crash".
Can we imagine that a "server crash" is similar to a "break on board" that hit everyone at the same time?
I believe this is the right choice ...)
Posted by
SCARABOCCHIO


Users avatar

Posts
97
Registered at
2012-02-05 16:24:16
2019-04-24 05:39:35 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
No one answers?
Perhaps no one has noticed that the reason given for the cancellation of the score in Boston to Plymouth is the following:
"SRC recognizes that this lack of access has compromised the finishing line of many yachts in the Galera race in a manner that cannot be rectified and that some yachts in the Plymouth race may also have been compromised".
Writing "some yachts in the Plymouth race may also have been compromised", in the next races, at the slightest problem with the server or with the weather update, anyone (even the last in the rankings) will be able to officially protest and demand the cancellation of the race reporting as an example this official document.

--- Last Edited by SCARABOCCHIO at 2019-04-24 05:57:24 ---
Posted by
dikkehenk


Users avatar

Posts
66
Registered at
2012-02-24 15:03:37
2019-04-24 06:00:30 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
Yes, i have noticed the SRC comments.

8 hour serverdrop is a big one, and ofcourse does affect some boats. Maybe not yours.
"Can we imagine that a "server crash" is similar to a "break on board" that hit everyone at the same time?"
No, since operators do live in diff timezones.

so, no comment.

--- Last Edited by dikkehenk at 2019-04-24 06:02:51 ---
Posted by
SCARABOCCHIO


Users avatar

Posts
97
Registered at
2012-02-05 16:24:16
2019-04-24 07:07:26 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
Dikk,
thanks for your answer, I hope others SOLers write their opinion to help improve SOL roules.
Posted by
SCARABOCCHIO


Users avatar

Posts
97
Registered at
2012-02-05 16:24:16
2019-04-24 07:08:35 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
One last consideration and then I close the topic.

"SOL RULES OF RACING (‘ SRR ’) 2018"
- Rule 8 "Protest Procedures".
Rule 8 provides that "When the leaderboard has been updated the race results will be declared official and prizes (if involved) will be attributed and delivered."
If the ranking will be confirmed, by posting the result on the SOL home page, and the cancellation of points and prizes will be confirmed, this decision, in my opinion, violates rule 8 ...
Posted by
andrea


Users avatar

Posts
11
Registered at
2012-11-23 15:52:45
2019-04-27 11:29:31 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
Hi all,
I actually agree with Carlo Alberto; although I can say that the server crash caused me a damage, as I didn't have dc but was ready to maneuver immediatly after we started to head SE and as a consequence couldn't follow the route I planned, I think that there has not been a serious distortion in the ranking. The race was the second attempt in 15 days, and no official protest has been presented, so I think that to nullify the ranking because "some yachts in the Plymouth race may also have been compromised" is too ambiguous; we need to have a clear rule about similar circumstances, as also a late wx update "may" compromise the race of some boats.
With all due respect to who had to make the decision

Andrea

--- Last Edited by aner59 at 2019-04-27 11:30:24 ---
andrea
Posted by
Sebensa


Users avatar

Posts
70
Registered at
2010-10-06 14:50:36
2019-04-27 16:52:38 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
While I understand the frustration, (mine included), I think the solution may be to have some tech guys in opposite time zones - Auzzie & USA west coast come to mind who can be given the protocol to reset the server
Just saying
Posted by
RainbowChaser


Users avatar

Posts
2656
Registered at
2009-06-14 09:44:50
2019-05-12 10:14:03 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
Hopefully, SOLers and/or chums that they know who may have the relevant expertise(a) will step forward to volunteer!

:-)

Please login to post a reply.

Races

Next Race: 00d 00h 00m

Current Races:

Red Eye - Myth of Malham 2025

In 1947, Hugh McLean & Sons of Gourock, Scotland built a radical racing yacht for John Illingworth, soon-to-be Commodore of the RORC, to a design by Laurent Giles. With a masthead rig, giving her ‘free’ sail area per the rules of the time, and short overhangs reducing pitching, Myth of Malham went on to win The Fastnet that year and again in 1949, and to compete in numerous Admiral's Cups. In 1958, in honour of the yacht, the Myth of Malham race was conceived - a mini-Fastnet to the first lighthouse on a rock west of Cowes, Eddystone, rather than the second, to be held in non-Fastnet years. IRL this year it has been raced already, but this stops us not from “Red Eye” racing its online 230nm in Fareast 31Rs, leaving how to deal with the Isle of Wight open to your own discretion.
Race #1847
INFOby brainaid.de
Fareast 31R PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: SYC - RED
Race starts: Aug 25th 12:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Africa by Sea 2025 - Maputo to Mogadishu


The fifth leg of our exploration of Africa By Sea takes us north along the length of the Continent’s succulent sub-tropical and tropical Indian Ocean coast. Much fought over by traders and colonists both well-before and after a Portuguese expedition under the command of Vasco da Gama first sailed there from Europe back in the 16th century, it is yet to be properly explored as a yachting destination. With plenty of islands off- and inshore, small and very large, there is much to interrupt your 1900nm voyage and visit in your Swan 65, from Maputo to Mogadishu! Race #1858
INFOby brainaid.de
Swan 65 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: SYC - ABS
Race starts: Aug 20th 17:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Elba Rendezvous 2025


It’s time for a summer sprint following the route of a classic regatta triangle. The theatre of our struggle will be Golfo Di Follonica with its start and finish at Piombino. Buoys are set up in front of Porto Azzurro on Elba Island and next to Punta Ala. One lap of 38 NM will be done with the help of our Figaro 3 Foil.
Race 1941
INFO by brainaid.de
Figaro 3 Foil PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
SPRQ3 - SPRCH - SUPSOL – SYC
RACE CLOSE: Friday,
August 22 at 2300 UTC.
Race starts: Aug 16th 15:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Captain Gosnold TIMED Memorial Race 2025

Welcome to Newport, RI, one of the great sailing centers of the world. This TIMED race takes us around Nantucket Island in RC 44s to celebrate the life of Capt. Bartholomew Gosnold who, among many other things in his short life, named Cape Cod for the teeming fish he encountered there, and Martha’s Vineyard for his daughter. This is a TIMEDrace so you may RE-REGISTER HEREto try again after finishing a run. You will have 13 days and 11 hours to test your skill and decision making after the race opens.
Race #1939
INFOby brainaid.de
RC 44 Particulars
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
TRQ3 - TRCH - SUPSOL - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Saturday,
23 August at 23:00 UTC
Race starts: Aug 10th 12:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Cape Town to Java 2025

Get ready for an exhilarating new challenge as we set sail on the eighth leg of the 2025 Ocean Championship Series! Reversing the 18th century footsteps of the indentured Cape Malays that inspired Isna Marifa’s moving novel 'Mountains More Ancient' , this leg takes us from Cape Town South Africa to the Bay of Belbuhan on the south west coast of Java - a 5100 nm journey of endurance, strategy, and pure sailing adrenaline, aboard the 125 ft Orange catamaran. Do you have what it takes to conquer the Indian Ocean? Join us and put your skills to the ultimate test!
PRIZE: SMPF
Race #1937
INFO by brainaid.de
Orange 125 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: OCQ3 - OCCH - SUPSOL - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Saturday,
August 23 at 2300 UTC.
Race starts: Aug 04th 11:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Go to race archive

SYC Ranking

  1. Sailonline Yacht Club Member WRmirekd
  2. Sailonline Yacht Club Member vida
  3. Sailonline Yacht Club Member CriticalHippo
  4. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rafa
  5. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Kipper1258
  6. Sailonline Yacht Club Member KaSToR
  7. Sailonline Yacht Club Member BRENTGRAY
  8. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Sax747
  9. Sailonline Yacht Club Member FreyjaUSA
  10. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Panpyc

View full list

Series

Mobile Client

SYC members have the benefit of access to our mobile/lightweight web client!

The mobile client