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Board » Sailonline Yacht Club » Should short/tricky races be included in weekend rankings

Posted by RainbowChaser Posts 2656 Registered at 2009-06-14 09:44:50	2010-10-11 20:21:11 - Should short/tricky races be included in weekend rankings
	There has been some discussion as to whether it is appropriate or not to exclude tricky short weekend races from rankings, given that a SYC weekend ranking is based on the best 7 results out of the previous 14 races. What do you think? NOTE: The top circle is for Yes, the middle circle is for No, the bottom circle will reveal status. --- Last Edited by RainbowChaser at 2010-10-12 16:01:56 ---
Poll: Should short/tricky races be included in weekend rankings Yes No Show Results (You won't be able to vote.) You need to be logged in to vote.
Posted by Flaxie Posts 13 Registered at 2009-08-20 10:09:55	2010-10-12 12:22:46 - Re: Should short/tricky races be included in weekend rankings
	Rainbow Chaser asked that comments made on Chat should be posted here, so here goes: "SOL is all about fairness and keeping things equal across the board - surely ALL races should be included and like Svein says, there is no such thing as a non-tricky race." Flaxie --- Last Edited by Steve Banner at 2010-10-12 12:23:17 --- --- Last Edited by Flaxie at 2010-10-12 12:24:33 ---
Posted by AWoL Posts 23 Registered at 2009-07-01 15:15:13	2010-10-12 13:22:00 - Re: Should short/tricky races be included in weekend rankings
	I haven't voted on this as yet. I THINK I know which button is which, but am not absolutely sure. How many have clicked on the button "Yes" when they meant "No"? Have they read the note above....very carefully? Can it be confirmed that the note above is correct and somewhat at odds with the typography?
Posted by RainbowChaser Posts 2656 Registered at 2009-06-14 09:44:50	2010-10-12 14:42:15 - Re: Should short/tricky races be included in weekend rankings
	BEFORE you vote there three "circles" laid out and my first post above the poll describes which is which (once you have voted there are only the results showing). Andrew Lees - what problem do you have with this? As background SHORT/TRICKY races are those like Seacarting round the Swedish archipelago or the recent very short slalom course on Lake Erie which, in the past, were included in rankings but many vociferously objected to this as the races are essentially non DC-able! --- Last Edited by RainbowChaser at 2010-10-12 14:45:33 ---
Posted by AWoL Posts 23 Registered at 2009-07-01 15:15:13	2010-10-12 15:23:42 - Re: Should short/tricky races be included in weekend rankings
	The "Yes" is beside the "No" button and the "No" is beside the results(distantly annotated) button. Confuses my eyes and brain, but I may be in a minority of one. Perhaps we should have a poll on it? --- Last Edited by Andrew Lees at 2010-10-12 15:37:47 ---
Posted by Svein Posts 84 Registered at 2009-05-04 15:09:20	2010-10-12 15:33:23 - Re: Should short/tricky races be included in weekend rankings
	I cannot remember DC-ability as being a basic SOL-criterion. A race is a race, and there is no such thing as a non-tricky race. In ONE word: INCLUDE! Sail well in fair winds.
Posted by zero Posts 120 Registered at 2010-02-07 16:56:30	2010-10-12 21:42:14 - Re: Should short/tricky races be included in weekend rankings
	Almost by definition a "short" race is not DC'able. That is one of the reason that they should finish by Sunday afternoon. My vote: "Yes"
Posted by Jawz Posts 154 Registered at 2009-07-21 09:51:19	2010-10-13 13:06:50 - Re: Should short/tricky races be included in weekend rankings
	Here is another take on the thing. I have to work to live. The only time that I can put in decent care and diligence to my boat is on weekends. Weekdays are for work unfortunately. So, I give each weekend race that I race a HUGE effort, sometimes not sleeping at all through the race. It is my results on weekends that are largely responsible for my overall ranking. Take the ranking away and I cannot hope to compete in the SOL Club Ranking System. My vote was Yes. Thanks Rainbow for raising the Poll George
Posted by ShamrockPirate Posts 189 Registered at 2010-12-03 17:49:57	2010-12-15 04:05:41 - Re: Should short/tricky races be included in weekend rankings
	Hi All, Having recently joined SOL full-on, I'll throw in an opine. Most of the world works the Mon-Fri routine so it would seem logical to have the time/concentration/effort intensive races when most can participate. It would be nice, however, to throw a few of these into the weekday mix as well. I recently tried to get through the tricky Seacart race using DC's as I worked both weekend days and spent a good bit of time kedging off the rocks after miscalculating time/distance/wind/TWA and whatever else I could screw up. Still good fun but would have been great if it was on one of my upcoming weekdays off. I say an 80/20 mix of weekend/weekday for these short tacking sprints would be great. ShamPir

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