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2011-07-14 12:44:05 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
I thought I'd managed to avoid this one...

RULE:

The aim is that most of the rules should be enforced automatically by the server.

People all want different things. If 5% of this commentary was framed as suggestions rather than just complaints we'd have something worth discussing. Please present enforceable alternatives.

I don't understand the current flare up; we've had one boat voluntarily retire (so as not to take a ranking) after being placed in a position that violated their own principles, one boat retire as they couldn't finish the race without boatsitting, and we had a twin boat in a recent race place highly, but few seemed to notice or care. Maybe the names weren't recognisable enough.

There is only one team boat that anyone currently cares about. To my eye they're slower than their constituent parts (at very high level I expect this) and they only take one of the top ten spots in ocean races instead of four.
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2011-07-14 21:43:09 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
NZL_undercover said @ 2011-07-14 10:33:54:
What a load of crap!!
Boats controlled by groups of people!!!
I think you both are in fantasy land.

Its people like you guy's that ruin this type of online experience for me.

I am wondering if I can be bothered renewing my SYC membership.
Was that directed at me?

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2011-07-14 22:50:25 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
It certainly was with statements like this:

"When I first started soling I thought boats were playing follow the leader taking advantage of the good sailor's skills, but now I understand it's 5 or 10 guys sailing each others boats."

That is utter crap.
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2011-07-15 02:09:11 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
NZL_undercover said @ 2011-07-14 22:50:25:
It certainly was with statements like this:

"When I first started soling I thought boats were playing follow the leader taking advantage of the good sailor's skills, but now I understand it's 5 or 10 guys sailing each others boats."

That is utter crap.
Says you. Has anyone altered your course in the trans atlantic race? How about any of the past five races. I can say no one has ever helmed my boat other than myself in any race. Having a first mate is like taking steroids
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2011-07-15 03:45:22 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
No one has altered my boat in the Transatlantic Race or in any of the last 20-30 races.

I have asked for help in the odd race before that.......isn't it called boatsitting.

Generally it has been when I have been doing real sailing in an offshore race.

I suppose I must cheat in those as well!!

Do you really believe that we have all teamed up and steer each others boats??

Can you give me the names of these "so called team boats" if not Shut the F**k Up.
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2011-07-15 03:54:25 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
NZL_undercover said @ 2011-07-15 03:45:22:
Shut the F**k Up.
Relax, and watch who you cuss. It's a small world.
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2011-07-15 03:59:37 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Yes I do apologize for that.......
but I do find it rather infuriating as you can probably tell.
Sorry for cussing.
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2011-07-15 04:09:00 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
NZL_undercover said @ 2011-07-15 03:59:37:
Yes I do apologize for that.......
but I do find it rather infuriating as you can probably tell.
Sorry for cussing.
I apologize for lumping people into a group.
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2011-07-15 10:12:41 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
AHOY SOLers

Discussion is good. Thrashing out issues is good. Making constructive and positive contributions (even when critical)is good.

BUT please do remember that it doesn't matter how much you argue for or against rules,there is one truth....

If a rule cannot be enforced then it cannot be a rule.

Thus in SOL, if a rule cannot be enforced by the server then it is not a rule.

Boatsitting is permitted. but as I have said before (2011-04-05 09:18:27)inter alia whether or not you choose to share your credentials with another (for some interim boat-sitting while busy with real life - hospital appointments, family issues, work etc) or choose to sail solo without assistance, then it is just that. A choice.

If you seek boatsitting help, then make sure you agree what should happen in the range from the very specific, e.g., I have set DCs so please just check that they fire, to the very general e.g., please sail XXX as if she were your own.

If you have been asked to boatsit and have accepted on the basis that it would be for a limited time, and more than that time elapses without the "owner" contacting you then... for heavens sake, decide what you want to do. Email them... ask the question.

If you haven't been asked to boatsit but have a skipper's credentials then accept that the skipper may have chosen not to ask you or even not to ask anyone and don't do anything without permission!Its courtesy!

I rarely notice when folks go aground - maybe I am too busy with the calendar or setting up races or buddy-ups - but if I do and it is someone I know then I will usually email them a warning after shouting out in chat. These days folks pick up emails on-the-fly so I have on occasion in reply been asked to make an interim course correction or unbeaching... no biggie! I don't take that to mean I am to steer their boat until further notice and make them aware that I will not be doing that! If I don't get a reply then I use my own judgement of the situation.

P.S. please try to keep the discussion on point,impersonal and positive
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2011-07-15 10:33:13 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Beautifully summed up by Rainbow Chaser, and I do believe the original question has now been answered - see thread title - maybe now's the time to let this thread die, agree that those with the strongest feelings will probably never quite see eye to eye on this subject, and just enjoy the sailing.

Now, has my tall ship hit the rocks or not... better go and see.

Rich

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