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2011-04-03 20:35:51 - Real Life Honesty Race question
Hi all. We have a RL honesty race on the go here. I'd love to know if anyone has a spreadsheet created for such a race which would ndicate the best conditions in which to start. Obviously, I have the course, and the distances/bearings between each mark, and I have the boat polars.

To save me starting from scratch, I thought it would be worthwhile asking on here first....
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2011-04-07 00:40:59 - Re: Real Life Honesty Race question
Baggus.... I freely admit ignorance. What is an RL Honesty Race?
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2011-04-07 02:26:14 - Re: Real Life Honesty Race question
It's a set course. Any boat can sail it at any time of day or night, however many times they want. At the end of the season, the best corrected time wins. The honesty bit is because you have to be honest about your time as chances are no-one else will be there to see you make that perfect 3am run......

The tricky bit is working out when the best conditions are to start, hence my question.

(The RL bit = Real Life)

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2011-04-08 00:46:26 - Re: Real Life Honesty Race question
Got it! Thanks.
Sounds like fun (what SOL race isn't???). Just to clarify... can you pick any polar you want and, if so, are winners based with boat classes?
No matter how it works, I'M IN!

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2011-04-08 02:59:01 - Re: Real Life Honesty Race question
The race I'm talking about is literally real life. A set course here in Bermuda in different classes of boats on corrected times. You are mord than welcome to join us, but you must be able to handle rum & champagne!

SoL does online races occasionally - time we had another one!

Edited to add - there's one starting in 1d 8hrs.... :-)

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2011-04-08 17:31:20 - Re: Real Life Honesty Race question
Baggus... having done a few Bermuda races, I'm as "Dark & Stormy" as they come. If I could get there, I would join you. Have a great series!

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2011-04-12 05:26:25 - Re: Real Life Honesty Race question
Baggus, why dont you use a router?
It would require a rather sophisticated spreadsheet indeed to do what you want, and would only be emulating a router anyway.

You can start by eyeballing a reasonable time in a grib viewer - then plug that time into the router, and trial each hour a few hours each side. When you find the 2 smallest ETEs then split between them and try a H.30 start time. You wont really get much more accurate than down to 15 minutes, and (esp IRL) other factors might override this anyway.... Bluewater is free...

This is just what router users would do in a SOL timed race anyway...

Edit: i reread u didnt say you had gribs, so use uGrib or Expedition LT - both free and capable to download the wx for a specified area... I would recommend Expedition LT as it has more choice of weather models, and its own propreitary system for 'remodelling' the GFS and CMC into smaller grid sizes. Actually if you sail alot IRL then their subscriptions arent too badly priced either - check out predictwind.com - actually come to think of it they have a free online router you can use, and input your own polar data into and a course... wont be as accurate as BWR or Expedition but it will def allow you to narrow in on a good time.

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2011-04-12 05:39:09 - Re: Real Life Honesty Race question
Sry that was me forgot to logout from sol account after checking the SJORA race ;-)
I help develop the client interface for the best online ocean racing sim there is... __/)/)_/)__
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2011-04-12 19:43:50 - Re: Real Life Honesty Race question
Cheers for that Aaron - will give it a go! btw - what's the dinghy in your photo? Looks like a Hornet.
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2011-04-13 05:13:27 - Re: Real Life Honesty Race question
Its called an Australian Sharpie, & evolved from the 12 sq m Heavyweight Sharpies sailed at the 1956 Melbourne Olympics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Sharpie

Nice little vid from the last Nationals on this page to:
http://www.sharpies.com.au/

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