Facebook

Login

Support Sailonline

If you haven't already - join the SAILONLINE YACHT CLUB!

Please also consider making a donation - all amounts are greatly appreciated!

Board » General Discussion » Stealth Mode

Page: Previous 1 2 3

Posted by
Gilles


Users avatar

Posts
127
Registered at
2009-07-18 11:05:22
2012-01-06 08:21:16 - Re: Stealth Mode
I see SOL as an incredibile learning tool, (not to mention the FUN!!) so as zero pointed out, to know what the tops are doing is a learning lesson. We must preserve that, is the strenght of SOL

To "protect" the top(do not like the term but did not find any better) from blind "followers" or "fans" I see a nice mix coming out:
1-name and shame,
2- a wild card "stealth on request" , to "cut" the tow rope
3- some periods (start?) with no boat name just dots,
4- position report every x time bigger than the actual minute...( in ocean race, not in short)

1 require no programming effort and works,
2 panic option for follower :-))
3 this should be easy and funny (you will go for more dots concentration eheh)
4 will even reduce the server traffic

my 2c
Gilles

--- Zuletzt bearbeitet von Gilles am 2012-01-06 08:22:34 ---
Posted by
Albycore


Users avatar

Posts
5
Registered at
2011-02-27 17:34:48
2012-01-06 10:41:57 - Re: Stealth Mode
After being away from SOL for several months and coming back to find many improvements to the client, (thanks AGage and whomever else is\was responsible for this) one of the best improvements IMO is the boat list. Shortly after the start of leg 2 I realized by selecting only my boat everyone disappears thereby clearing the clutter of 1000+ or so boats and tracks, making it much easier to mark range, bearings, and find the wind. However when you reload the client the list is not saved, I understand this is an upcoming feature, YEAH! Trying to stay on topic and get to the point here I wonder, if when one logs in, only your boat was sent to the client along with a "Fleet Standings" list with an option button to "see the fleet". However clicking this button makes a dot appear by ones name in everyones "Fleet Standings" list. During leg 2 and other races I found myself near some of the "Big Guns" it's actually unnerving and in past races when possible I've tried to get away but most times 99.99% they are aleady running the fastest route or on their way to it, so getting away isn't possible with the exception of falling behind as there's only one "best" route. If something like this could be implemented I would think more people would be inclined not to simply follow but race on their own merit and enjoy the benefits of sailing around alone. It would seem also to decrease serverload/bandwith as only your boats info would be sent from the server, IDK about such things. Certainly this or anything else isn't going to stop a follower, as anyone can get the AIS signal and track from there. Just my worthless 2 cents.
Posted by
NZL_PaulR


Users avatar

Posts
311
Registered at
2008-07-22 12:21:30
2012-01-06 11:47:22 - Re: Stealth Mode
Aaron: Not really trying to hijack the tread, as I was really trying to comment on spending programming time on "STEALTH" is good for SoL or are alternatives more important.

LOG BOOK: Mainly automatic, especially when sleep, work and family etc mean time away from the PC when one cannot see WHEN and WHY things especially grounding happen.

It would be great to add the odd comment to delayed commands that then get added automatically to the LOG BOOK. e.g. "TWA =55 set in 4 hours to beat 76T again"
OR "Tack set to cover Gillies and get to new wind soonest".
If the DC is later deleted, then so is that comment as the DC did NOT occur. It would allow for "immediate" comments to be added by setting the same course with a delay of 1 or 2 minutes = 0.05 hr time.
Alternatively a comment field for attaching to any command sent.


--- Last Edited by NZL_PaulR at 2012-01-06 11:48:02 ---

--- Last Edited by NZL_PaulR at 2012-01-06 12:07:24 ---
If it breaks, it's not strong enough!
Posted by
NZL_PaulR


Users avatar

Posts
311
Registered at
2008-07-22 12:21:30
2012-01-06 12:01:05 - Re: Stealth Mode
A personal preference for programming time would be that when one has delayed commands loaded, the prediction heading 6 hour indicator would so the effect of those DC's e.g. at 3 hours a tack will show a 90 degree "kink" in the pink line, or what ever tacking angle is set e.g. 88 degrees etc.

The DC Predictor would only change when the "REFRESH" button is clicked in the DC Tab or every 10 or 15 minutes updating as currently happens to reduce server loads.

This I see as really beneficial to ALL SoL sailors and therefore have a higher priority for programming time and resources when compared to Stealth mode that is only targetted at the TOP few sailors.

I do like the idea of show numbers instead of boat names. Perhaps this should only be possible for the TOP 50 sailors (First page of the leaderboad) when they FIRST register for the "next" race, to tick that option if they desire it.

Most SoLers won't want to tick this option IMHO. If enforced to all the fleet, it will detract from SoLs friendship and community feeling. Once lost it will be hard to regenerate.

Having this discussion is a great part of SoL learning IMHO.
If it breaks, it's not strong enough!
Posted by
a


Users avatar

Posts
20
Registered at
2008-10-13 16:32:29
2012-01-06 15:16:00 - Re: Stealth Mode
Yeah stealth mode would take away a lot of the fun and learning, examining, utilizing other sailors strategies, etc.

I think anyway someone following another sailor contantly will become more and more unpopular in the community.

I agree with last post by Paul, a great improvement to the DC feature would be to predict like he said the track if a DC is set... I'm not too sure if it's easy or really difficult with many DCs applied, but would be of assistance and ultimately perhaps increase competitiveness

Thanks, Alex
~ ride like the wind ~
Posted by
Tempest


Users avatar

Posts
79
Registered at
2009-06-16 17:44:17
2012-01-06 15:36:39 - Re: Stealth Mode
I believe most things have already been said but i would like to add my own remarks.

Follow the leader can only be banned by a total stealth mode, but is this the way we want SOL to develop. The only way to learn something is to watch others go faster and ask yourselves why ?

A semi stealth mode with numbers seems a good way around this as it stil gives the opportunity to learn. Yes you can still follow the leader but you don't know exactly who that leader is .

A time limited total stealth on demand may be a good feature but it is only usefull for a few. Personally i would rather see programmming resources go into a 6 hour predictor line that also shows / takes into account your course changes .
In general programming resources should benefit most people and not a few.

In addition this if 1% of people like to follow the leader as intense as to my opinion has been done lately i don't think there is much you can do about it without hampering the other 99% who are trying to do there best.

My 2 cents from a rather wet part of the world.

Tempest

Page: Previous 1 2 3

Please login to post a reply.

Races

Next Race: 00d 00h 00m

Current Races:

Elephant Island to Marquesas 2025

Prepare to test your limits as we launch into the third leg of the RWW Series and the fifth leg of the 2025 Ocean Championship Series—an epic voyage from Elephant Island to the Marquesas in the heart of French Polynesia. This 4,700-nautical-mile challenge is a true test of endurance, strategy, and raw sailing adrenaline. Aboard the high-performance Volvo 70v4, competitors will face fierce headwinds as they round the legendary Cape Horn and make the thrilling transition from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Do you have what it takes to conquer the Pacific? Join us, and put your skills to the ultimate test.
PRIZE: SMPF
Race #1909
INFO by brainaid.de
VO70_v4 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: OCQ2 - RWW - OCCH - SUPSOL - SYC
Race starts: May 05th 11:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Bosphorus Strait Sprint 2025


Welcome to the Bosphorus for a testing sprint twice through the narrow channel separating the Black Sea from the Mediterranean - the traditional boundary between Europe and Asia.
Race 1914
INFO by brainaid.de
Dehler 30 OD PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
SPRQ2 - SPRCH - SUPSOL – SYC
Race starts: May 04th 09:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Bay to Bay 2025 - Leg 2 - Great Sandy Stait

After a thrilling opener, the 2025 edition of the Bay to Bay Yacht Race continues with Leg 2, bringing even more adrenaline and tactical excitement to the waters of the Great Sandy Marine Park. In collaboration with the Hervey Bay Sailing Club, our SOLers will once again take the helm of their lightning-fast 18-foot skiffs, this time tackling a 24-nautical-mile course through shifting breezes and tight competition.

With fresh legs, sharper tactics, and everything to race for, it’s anyone’s game! See you on the start line for the grand finale!
Race #1906
INFO from brainaid.de
18ft Skiff PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: B2B - SYC
Race starts: May 03rd 21:30 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Bay to Bay 2025 - Leg 1 - Great Sandy Strait

Prepare for an electrifying start to the 2025 Bay to Bay Yacht Race! In partnership with the Hervey Bay Sailing Club, this first leg will see our SOLers take on a fast-paced, 16-nautical-mile sprint through the stunning waters of the Great Sandy Marine Park, weaving past the breathtaking landscapes of the Great Sandy National Park. Racing in high-powered 18-foot skiffs, the fleet will battle shifting winds, tricky tactics, and fierce competition—all in pursuit of victory! With the thrill of the race and an unforgettable sailing experience ahead, we can’t wait to see you on the start line!
Race #1905
INFO from brainaid.de
18ft Skiff PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: B2B - SYC
Race starts: May 03rd 01:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Regata dell’Accademia Navale 2025

Welcome to Sailonline’s first partnership with the City of Livorno, in cooperation with the local yacht clubs and the Italian Navy, to offer you the online opportunity to race the Regata dell’Accademia Navale. 630nm in length, starting and finishing in Livorno, the race takes you the length and breadth of the Tyrrhenian Sea via Porto Cervo and Capri. Online, you will be sailing a Class 40, which should keep you well in with the top of the real-life fleet which we will be tracking on screen!
Race #1902
INFO by brainaid.de
Class 40 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: SYC
RACE CLOSE: Friday,
May 9 at 2300 UTC.
Race starts: Apr 27th 09:00 Registration Closed

▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Transat à Deux 2025

Above you see a single-handed sailor semi-foiling his Beneteau Figaro III to the horizon. It is in fact Ireland’s Sailor of the Year and the overall winner of last year’s Solitaire du Figaro, Tom Dolan. Somehow, we got our hands on a polar for the Class, and rather than trying to surreptitiously track Tom and his mates in the 2025 edition of the Solitaire, sailing rather-short, single-handed legs across the Celtic Sea and Biscay, we thought we’d see how our virtual craft would fare on the Class’s double-handed 3900nm Trans-Atlantic, from somewhere in Brittanny to somewhere in the Caribbean via somewhere in the Canaries. Allez, mes braves!
Race #1901
INFOby brainaid.de
Figaro III foil PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: SYC
Race starts: Apr 20th 11:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Sinbad by Balloon 2025 - Toamasina to Baia de l'Oiseau


You may recall that when last we visited Madagascar in the company of Sinbad, the Sultan commanded our intrepid inspirator to seek out fabled islands where in Summer the sun barely set. We did and we returned but the Sultan wasn’t happy with Sinbad’s report, so here we go again, now by SOL Balloon instead of sailing vessel. Expect to be in the air for at least 2100nm and depending on how the wind brings us, anything between two weeks and two months before we shall descend at the Sultan’s given coordinates!
Race #1884
INFOby brainaid.de
SOL Balloon PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: SYC - SBB
Race starts: Apr 09th 11:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Valparaiso to San Francisco 2025

Get ready for an exhilarating new challenge as we set sail on the fourth leg of the 2025 Ocean Championship Series! Following in the 19th century footsteps of Isabel Allende's heroine, Eliza Sommers, 'Daughter of Fortune', this all-new route takes us across the vast eastern Pacific, from Valparaíso, Chile, to San Francisco, California - a 3500nm journey of endurance, strategy, and pure sailing adrenaline. This leg will be raced aboard the powerful Rapido 60, pushing sailors to their limits as they navigate the open ocean. Do you have what it takes to conquer the Pacific? Join us and put your skills to the ultimate test!
PRIZE: SMPF
Race #1900
INFO by brainaid.de
Rapido 60 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: OCQ2 - OCCH - SUPSOL - SYC
Race starts: Apr 07th 11:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Go to race archive

SYC Ranking

  1. Sailonline Yacht Club Member WRmirekd
  2. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Patrick70119
  3. Sailonline Yacht Club Member CriticalHippo
  4. Sailonline Yacht Club Member FreyjaUSA
  5. Sailonline Yacht Club Member vida
  6. Sailonline Yacht Club Member KaSToR
  7. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rumskib
  8. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Kipper1258
  9. Sailonline Yacht Club Member bonknhoot
  10. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rafa

View full list

Series

Mobile Client

SYC members have the benefit of access to our mobile/lightweight web client!

The mobile client